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Posted on 10 hrs, , User Since 246 months ago, User Post Count: 36094
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To those of us who understood what was happening, none of this is a shock or surprise. It goes into detail about all the coaches that knew, and reveals that current Michigan Coach Moore deleted more than 50 test messages with Conor Stalions (the guy who recorded a lot of the sideline signals of other teams) as the news of the cheating scandal was breaking.
Also, it says Stalions illegally removed the hard drive of a computer with all that cheating data on it -- and gave information that had been collected to a football player to keep for him to come by and get later. What makes this so newsworthy isn't just the theft of the hard drive -- but that this happened AFTER the cheating was made public, when people were trying to say Michigan stopped cheating until the end of that season. Clearly, they did not.
This is a draft of the notice of allegations, so it does not contain any possible or proposed penalties for the cheating. That will come later when the NOA is finalized. It does outline that many of these infractions are Level 1 (the worst type)...and you have to remember that Michigan is already on probation for breaking Level 1 rules with recruiting violations. If a school already on probation for Level 1 gets any more infractions, it almost automatically results in Loss of institutional Control, which can carry the most severe penalties.
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I wonder who the player was playing go'fer for Stalions in relaying hard copies to the interns after he stole the hard drives. Could it be his close business partner, Blake Corum?
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What a bunch of frauds
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Writerdawg said... (original post) To those of us who understood what was happening, none of this is a shock or surprise. It goes into detail about all the coaches that knew, and ...
Yeah, and the NCAA will vacate the national championship, and that will undo it completely. The celebrations, awards, etc. will be erased from people's memories, and the "losses" experienced by those they played will be replaced by the thrill of victory, parties will ensue, and everyone on those teams and their fan bases will feel like champions. What a joke. The NCAA should have come down on them last year, BEFORE the playoffs. F the NCAA.
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Posted on 10 hrs, , User Since 274 months ago, User Post Count: 43136
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I can’t get too excited about it since this is all after the fact, but cheating that blatantly certainly merits stiff penalties. It’ll still be a long time before anything happens.
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peeode said... (original post) Yeah, and the NCAA will vacate the national championship, and that will undo it completely. The celebrations, awards, etc. will be erased from peopl...
I don't disagree, but I'm more angry with the Big Ten. They actually had the authority to stop everything cold. Under the Sportsmanship Clause, the Big Ten had the authority to end Michigan's season. They cowed to pressure (and I'm sure a lot of it came from Fox because of the OSU game). The NCAA did not have that authority last year...they can only take action after delivering a notice of allegations and then giving teams 90 days to respond. Because of this situation, they have changed their by-laws so now they are allowed to step in and take immediate action.
My hope is that the NCAA hammers that program so hard it is basically starting from scratch and never becomes relevant again. What they did robbed thousands of college players and coaches from being able to play against Michigan in games that weren't basically fixed. Some of those losses cost coaches a lot of money in bonuses, too. When you start digging deeper into the effects of this cheating, you begin to see how wide the ramifications were.
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Writerdawg said... (original post) I don't disagree, but I'm more angry with the Big Ten. They actually had the authority to stop everything cold. Under the Sportsmanship Clause, ...
Good points...
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This year is going to start another very long and dominant win streak against those sCUMbags.
Maybe Zinter will give us more details :)
Posted on 9 hrs, , User Since 245 months ago, User Post Count: 891
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Build into contracts for NCAA disciplinary action that coaches will forfeit full salary/bonus for any games or time period the violations occurred if they are found guilty of violations. Place a percentage of yearly salary in escrow or the coach/manager places personal bond/ insurance/ collateral for potential damages. Harbaugh owing the university over $10m for '22 and '23 seasons with conference/national title bonuses would stop a lot of cheating. At least the blatant, over the top kind. Even more so for assistant coaches who don't have a golden parachute to bail to the next job.
Harbaugh is beaching in LA while the university suffers. As did Pete Carroll to the NFL and many others taking jobs at other college programs.
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southernflyer said... (original post) Build into contracts for NCAA disciplinary action that coaches will forfeit full salary/bonus for any games or time period the violations occ...
When you dance with the devil, you're likely to get stepped on.
How could you not realize that having a Harbaugh as your coach wouldn't lead to an exponential increase in sleaze? The man screamed weirdo from the moment he was hired, and it only got worse as OSU kept beating his brains in. I guess he figured this was the only way he could win. And he did it with help from his brother's staff.
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Posted on 8 hrs, , User Since 272 months ago, User Post Count: 8414
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Any chance Michigan could be booted from the Big Ten?
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Writerdawg said... (original post) To those of us who understood what was happening, none of this is a shock or surprise. It goes into detail about all the coaches that knew, and ...
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donodawg said... (original post) Any chance Michigan could be booted from the Big Ten?
And lose the opportunity to run off ten in a row against them?!? I sure hope not!
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Labradoodle said... (original post) I wonder who the player was playing go'fer for Stalions in relaying hard copies to the interns after he stole the hard drives. Could it be ...
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southernflyer said... (original post) Build into contracts for NCAA disciplinary action that coaches will forfeit full salary/bonus for any games or time period the violations occ...
And of all people, the NFL messed with Jimmy T hardcore.
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Writerdawg said... (original post) I don't disagree, but I'm more angry with the Big Ten. They actually had the authority to stop everything cold. Under the Sportsmanshi...
The Big 10 wanted a championship, why is that so hard to grasp? It's easy to suspend the little guys, but the Big 10 did the same thing the SEC does when they look at violations. Bama, Georgia and Texas are going to have a lot more leeway in football the same way Kentucky does in basketball, conferences want to win. The Big 10 was sick of the National Championship being an SEC property and wanted to give themselves their best chance of winning one.
You'll hear a lot of noise and see little action. Look at the Kansas basketball investigation. It went on for half a decade, and in the end you had a coach complain his "reputation was tarnished!" No death penalty, no harsh sanctions, just some self imposed minor penalties and a tarnished reputation.
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This is the biggest cheating scandal in college football history. I don't think there is any doubt about that.
If the NCAA doesn't forfeit wins, ban them from the post-season bowl games and reduce schollys, then the floodgates will be open for every program in the country to attempt the same thing that scUM has done.
Whatever happens, the entire college football community outside the borders of Michigan now knows that the last three seasons and their "championship" were tainted and that they are now known as the dirtiest football program in the history of college football.
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I would like to hear what a Nevada Sports Book has to say about this cheating scandal.
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forty4five5 said... (original post) https://x.com/BarstoolTate/status/1820139485490753747?t=DMSFr7_c6uuHTYYCOjrBIA&s=19
The difference is in the long history of the NCAA, the only times wins have been vacated it has been because of ineligible players
This thread is deja vu. It's the same people who were here two different times last year saying the Big X and the NCAA were going to shut down Michigan's season. It's a nice thought but it doesn't wash with historical precedent. Bill Self was caught with hundreds of texts to Adidas talking about things like 15K payoffs to DeAndre Ayton's mom and he got a lifetime contract from the university. You are just setting yourself up for disappointment again.
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